How to Scam an artist... and fail at it.
On February 9, 2015,
I received an email from Nathan Ebaugh, Finnish retail businessman
dealing with Art.
The whole thing was
a scam...
Nathan had visited my Pinterest Board “Art Direct from Artists”. He wanted to purchase some of my mosaics and some masks from Brazilian
artist Andy Ferrari. I put him in touch with Andy so he could
directly deal with her.
After we agreed on
prices, Nathan asked me to have my mosaics shipped to
Helsinki, Finland through his US shipping agent Richard Kirk from
Wichita Falls Texas. He would pay for the art and shipment with
his credit card. I would just need to pay the shipment.
What would really
happen was that he would pay me with a stolen credit card. I would
wire money to the Shipping Agent (They do not take credit cards) to
have them come pick up the Art pieces. And I would not hear anything
from anybody any more.
There were several
red flags in this story :
- No Websites either for the Client or the Shipping Agent.
- Email addresses on gmail and outlook. Generally, established businesses have dedicated websites and email addresses.
- The fact that the Shipping Agent only took wire transfers
- The fact that Nat did not have a Paypal account (You do not need an account to make a payment through Paypal), and that he told me Paypal did not work with his credit card.
- Specially the fact that he was asking me to find someone else who could use a credit card terminal to receive his payment.
- Finally, I never found any Shipping Agent of this name in Wichita Falls...
I suppose the same
person was handling the 2 email addresses. While this was going on,
he was trying the same scam with Andy, who did not fall for it
either. However, this kind of scam probably goes on. Beware !
Here are some of the
details of the whole tentative scam :
This is the first email I received :
Email: natebllc@gmail.com
Phone: 9027819872
Comments: Hello Sales, Am a Retail Business man i will like to order for some of your goods to my store in Finland,let me know if you can ship to my store in Finland and also accept credit card? Regards. Nat
We exchanged more emails and I understood he had seen one of my Pinterest Boards “Art direct from Artists” and was interested in purchasing Mosaics and Masks displayed on it.
The masks were creation of Andy Ferrari, so I got him in contact with her.
When I googled Nathan I could not find him. I asked him details about his activities and told him I would accept credit card payments through Paypal.
Hello Nat
Thank you for your inquiry.
I ship mosaics
worldwide, I have pieces in France, Australia and Dubai, I can ship
air or sea. I make a strong wooden crate for the mosaics and they
travel very safely.
I cannot directly
take credit card but you can use your credit card to pay through
Paypal.Could you please tell me a little more about your business ? Do you have a web site ?
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely
Frederic Lecut.
I was a little
surprised he had no website address, but after all, people have been
doing business without website for centuries... His English was not
exactly proper, but I thought that was normal for a Finnish guy.
(After all my English is not perfect either...) As we agreed of the
sale of 4 pieces, Nathan asked me to contact his shipping agent
Castle Shipping Ltd in Wichita Falls, Texas, to ship gods to his
address in Finland. I contacted the
shipping agent and here is the answer I received :
Dear Client,
My name is Richard Kirk ,under the umbrella of CASTLE SHIPPING LIMITED.I am the pickup agent in charge of your customer's order, We can see in our data base that the customer with the ID # LK8230CL8 is from Finland and i can see that we have shipped to them before. Below are what we will need to quote you:
The pick-up address:(Where goods will be pick up) Dimensions: Weight: All you need to do is to pack the order down and we shall come over and have it repack for pick up.
Richard Kirk - Castle Shipping
Limited, 474 7th Street, Wichita Falls, Texas 76301My name is Richard Kirk ,under the umbrella of CASTLE SHIPPING LIMITED.I am the pickup agent in charge of your customer's order, We can see in our data base that the customer with the ID # LK8230CL8 is from Finland and i can see that we have shipped to them before. Below are what we will need to quote you:
The pick-up address:(Where goods will be pick up) Dimensions: Weight: All you need to do is to pack the order down and we shall come over and have it repack for pick up.
Everything seemed legit and professional...
Dear Client,
We would be glad to provide you with cost for shipment from the pick up location 610 Mitchell St, Headland, AL 36345 USA.Due to recent new custom regulator on some goods in Finland, the freight charges has increase which we believe Mr Nathan should be aware of. For a shipment moving from 610 Mitchell St, Headland, AL 36345 USA to Vesakkotic 6719 FI-00630 HELSINKI FINLAND , with the total weight and dimension you provide, below is the quote as requested.
Customer ID#
LK8230CL8
Your quote request #
is 003649842. Shipping fee: $1420.00
PICK-UP ADDRESS: 610 Mitchell St, Headland, AL 36345, USA
Delivery Address: Vesakkotic 6719, FI-00630 HELSINKI, FINLAND
The freight costs includes: Collection from your Yard - Customs clearance - Transfer fee - Air Freight - Duties - Inland transit to Finland - Insurance - Import Permit - Door To Door Delivery in Finland - ETC
We have greatly reduce the price of your customer shipment. We accept Wire transfer as a means of payment, you have to let us know when the goods will be ready for pick up in other to schedule a pick up for the shipment as we normally have a lot of shipment request.We can ship to any where in the world and we will be grateful to be at your service.Thank You and we hope to serve you.
We make it a simple task, Whatever the journey, Wherever in the world.
Thank you
Richard Kirk
Castle Shipping Limited - 474 7th Street, Wichita Falls, Texas 76301
As I thought the
quote was little high, I contacted my Shipping agent who quoted me
$860. I contacted Nathan about that, but he told me he was used to
dealing with Castle Shipping and would rather pay full price for
their great service... After all, it was his money !
Hello Frederic,
Thanks so much for getting back to me with the cost of my order and shipping cost from Castle Shipping, am quite please with the cost of order and shipping cost from Castle Shipping,with Castle Shipping fee i wont be paying for any more tariff,tax or charges,also i sincerely appreciate you getting another shipping quote for me through DHL,there are some charges they don't pay for which i will have to pay when the goods get to Finland that why i want you to make use of Castle Shipping for the shipment,more over the shipping address is difficult to locate in Finland which has cost me lost of goods and goods been return so please feel free to make use of Castle Shipping.
I will like to proceed with the order by sending you my valid US issued credit card details to charge for the order and shipping,please let me know the details you will need to process my credit card.
Thanks
Nat
I replied this was
no problem but that I could not proceed his credit card directly and
that he could pay me with his credit card through Paypal
Hello Nathan
Like I told you from
the beginning, I cannot process your credit card myself, however, you
can use that credit card to pay me through Paypal. You just go to their
site and enter my email address. I would rather you
pay directly the shipping company, but I can do this for you if you
would like to.
Paypal is charging a 3.9 % fee to process the international transfer....
Paypal is charging a 3.9 % fee to process the international transfer....
I finally received this answer :
Frederic,
Thanks
Nat
Dear Nat
I should be able to use your credit card through Paypal myself. If you provide me with all details of your credit card, I can do this for you. I will need credit card number, name on card, billing address, expiration...
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Thank you so much for posting this online! I was contacted by Nathan, and exactly the same story! Although this time the shipping company was from Illinois. The whole thing just seemed odd... So after searching for some time I came across this and safe to say I am glad I haven't taken the "deal" any further!
ReplyDeleteHello Frederick!
ReplyDeleteI also was contacted by the notorious Nathan! I'm a collector and seller of vintage & antiques. He sent me an exact replica of the emails he sent you, as he couldn't be bothered to write anything original. I suspected he was a scammer from the start,and especially when he wanted me to pay shipping. A buyer pays shipping...not the seller! I sell mostly smalls, and I am my own shipping agent, with the assistance of my husband with packing larger items and postal drop offs. Here is a copy of the last email I sent him on 4/15/15, which of course he never answered! LOL
Hi Nathan!
I do not use the product code numbers from the cube cart, for items; buyers usually ask with the item name.
I change the complete cost of the item, to include shipping to the overseas destination, which the customer pays through PayPal. I do not contact your agent for a shipping cost. I get that
from the U.S.P.S., or UPS international. I am “selling”, so “you” pay to ship. I am always using Google...
Vesakkotic 6719
FI-00630 HELSINKI
FINLAND
is high in the search results.... http://mosaicblues.blogspot.com/2015/02/anatomy-of-tentative-scam.html with your name displayed!
And...”everyone” now-a-days ‘has’ a PayPal account.
Take care, Diane
Thanks Frederick for posting this, I have also been contacted, but he used the name Nathaniel Crane and the email natcstore@gmail.com, but the same fake shipping company.
ReplyDeleteHi we too have just been contacted by a Nathaniel crane from Helsinki - message was so badly worded we smelled a scam of some sort right away, glad to have found this post to confirm it!
ReplyDeleteWas just contacted by Nathaniel Crane as well. Same natcstore@gmail.com address. His last email, which I'm not going to bother to respond to:
ReplyDeleteStore Name:Natcstore
Shipping Address:
Vesakkotic 8432
FI-00630 HELSINKI
FINLAND
Once i have the cost of the listed items stated below i will have my credit card details send to you to charge for the order and
shipping.
Thanks
Nathaniel
I have also been contacted by "Nathaniel Crane" using the email: natcrallc@gmail.com
ReplyDelete--------------------------------------
Hi Sales,
I will like to make an inquiry for some of your items to my store in Finland,do you ship to Finland and also accept credit card?
Regards
Nathaniel
i was also contacted the other day by a finnish buyer: Troy Richards asking to purchase a large order of my terrariums. BEWARE and he also had his shipping company Castle Logistics as the front person.
DeleteOne more happy business owner here!!! Thanks Frederic for posting this. I was contact by Nathaniel Crane with the same history, ones he could not provide a website and I can not find his NACRASTORE in Helsinki I knew something was funky with this guy.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the info, also contacted. Watch out for these contacts:
ReplyDeleteNathaniel Crane natcrallc@gmail.com
Store Name:Nacrastore
Shipping Address:
Vesakkotic 5172
FI-00630 HELSINKI
FINLAND
Richard Kirk castlexltd@outlook.com
Castle Shipping Limited
6003 N Scotts Ridge Rd
Anderson
Indiana
46013
The odd phrasing and bad grammar from the American shipping company is another big red flag
ReplyDeleteThis is a Nigerian scam with no connections with any Finnish or US company. They use stolen credit cards from US banks and try to have funds transferred to a branch of First Convenience Bank (First National Bank of Texas) in Texas. The address for "Nathan" is also non existent in Finland. Even though Castle Shipping is a real company, they do not use agents or Richard Kirk or non company emails for business. Do a quick check on the email origination and maps of supposed locations. If they are not a real company warehouse (for shipping) or a real business address without the correct spelling then they are not a real operation. AVOID THESE EMAILS AT ALL COSTS...... THEY ARE SCAMS........ and NATIONALLY SPONSORED CRIMINALS...
ReplyDeleteSure I got a scam email from the same person/group. Now calling themselves Troy Richards, email troricllc@gmail.com. Initial email below;
ReplyDeleteHi Sales,
I will like to make an inquiry for some of your items to my store in Finland,do you ship to Finland and also accept credit card?
Regards
Troy
The order was insanely large, since I don't do wholesale, more than 500 pieces. I just sent this in reply.
Hi Troy!
That's a much bigger order than I usually ship, much less overseas. I'm not comfortable with a credit card transaction for that amount of merchandise, so a direct bank transfer would be better. Also, may I have a link to some information about your store? What do you normally sell?
Thank you.
Yep, I got that exact email too. I've continued the conversation to see where it leads but I'm not sending a thing. "Troy" wanted to only pay via a manual credit card even though I told him about paypal for my international customers. He also doubled his order. Hmmm. I tried prodding him for more store info as well but he didn't respond.
Deletegot the same email from Troy Richards - troricllc@gmail.com. Thanks for the post.
Deletewatch for this one too
ReplyDeleteSalvador Tovar [mailto:shakur1ng@gmail.com]
Also just got an email from troricllc@gmail.com Troy Richards
ReplyDeleteand found this thread when I googled to investigate what store in Finland might possibly be inquiring. Thanks for posting everyone.
I too received an email from Troy Richards from Finland wanting to order a large quantity scrapbook supplies, which isn't necessarily unusual for us, but something did not seem right as he was not willing to pay for the shipping directly. He wanted me to pay for it, then reimburse me. They quoted a freight cost without knowing how much the total product was, which would be impossible to calculate import taxes. Needless to say, the company who was allegedly doing the freight forwarding was someone out of the UK called Castle Logistic, and they were just as phony as Troy Richards. Do yourself a huge favor and avoid dealing with this individual/company.
ReplyDeleteI just got the same email from Troy Richards for my business Wine Drizzle. When I did a web search I found this thread. Shipping contact was identical.! I am going to contact the FBI internet crimes division.
ReplyDeleteHi, I just got a mail from Troy Richards trying to buy my product too. I am assuming it is a scam because of all the other posts here. Thanks you all for taking the time to post as it saved me from getting ripped off.
ReplyDeleteWe too just received the same emails from "Troy" and "Castle Logistics" however Castle was addressed as Unit 18a Pompey Centre, P04 8ER Portmouth UK. it was still Ryan Kirk, but his email was caslogtic@outlook.com. Clearly Ryan has been moving around a lot!!
ReplyDeleteThanks everyone for taking the time to write here...it's saving us all a lot of trouble.
Just received the same scam. Thank you so much for having this blog to help other artisans avoid this potential scam as well. I really appreciate it and did not go through with Troy Richards scam. I wish there was something we could do to stop this from happening to other people.
ReplyDeleteSame here with Troy Richards. Reporting as a scam. Thanks for your post.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your post. It has saved me a lot of headache.
ReplyDeleteHey guys,
ReplyDeletereceived this email as well from Troy Richards. Definitely a scam.
Troy Richards is still at it in August! His email address is now tridstoreinc@gmail.com and when I did a Google search for the company I mostly got optical patents. I am a wholesale yarn company selling knitting supplies and this email just seemed strange since I do not do a lot of international sales. I was happy to find this thread when I searched a little deeper. Thank you, Frederic!
ReplyDeleteI just got the same email from Troy Richards at the tridstoreinc email as shown above. We almost fell for a scam like this a year ago but things just didn't add up so we were lucky. I am skeptical now so go online and google name and email address so I appreciate you posting this information. we are a company that provides storage solutions to crafters so they go after many different types of businesses. Thanks again.
ReplyDeleteI sell handmade hats. I just got contacted with the same info only the names had been changed to Troy Richards from OJITESTORE in Finland and the shipping agent was Ryan Kirk from Castle Logistics Company. There is no OJITESTORE or company with that name in Finland. The Castle Logistics link on Ryan's signature does not work:
ReplyDeleteRyan Kirk
Castle Logistic Company
Unit 83 a Pompey Centre
P04 8ER Portmouth
UK
www.castle-logistic-company.co.uk
But if you google it, there is a Castle Logistics company. I'm pretty sure it's not the same company. (Who gets their own company website WRONG on their email signature?) I looked up the store, the shipping agent, google satellite mapped the addresses they provided me to see if businesses were there, checked linkedin for the store, the agent the shipping company and if the people named were associated with the company...NADA. I'm out!!! To think, I almost made all those hats! This scam must work some of the time if they are still at it. Thank you so much for posting. God bless you!!!
Thank you! Troy Richard with this address:
ReplyDeleteStore Name:OJITESTORE
Shipping Address:
Lönnrotinkatu 578 D 76,
FI-00180 Helsinki,
Finland
recently contacted my company for an order of shoes to be shipped from Florida to his "store" and payment by credit card...
Reporting them to the government now!
I just got the same email from Troy Richard for the same location as was noted on August 19:
ReplyDeleteStore Name:OJITESTORE
Shipping Address:
Lönnrotinkatu 578 D 76,
FI-00180 Helsinki,
Finland
Looks from Google Maps like it may be a hotel! He hasn't proposed his Castle Logistics shipping idea yet as I have just asked him for more information about his business, his web address, and the social media he uses. No response as yet but I clearly, also, will not be making all of those bags he said he wants. I have international stores that buy my products, but usually not the bags I make. I would love to add Finland to the list of countries where my retail customers can find my products. But this is clearly not the 'store' for me! So glad to find this posting and all of these comments tracking the efforts of this scammer. Thank you all!
This is a really good read for me, Must admit that you are one of the best bloggers I ever saw.
ReplyDeleteinternational air freight & container shipping rates
Thank you for the info everyone! We too go the same email wanting to purchase from our LA Showroom which offers wholesale clothing for his "clothing" store in Finland. Sadly, we fell for it, wire transferring $1950 to his bank for shipping after he had us charge "his credit card" for $3100. After we did this, he increased his order and had us ask "Ryan Kirk" of Castle Logistics for new shipping charges, which now are $4200. Soon after, he provided TWO more credit cards with US zip codes. We began to feel uneasy and started researching, only to find this webpage. We work with so many accounts, a lot being international, so we didn't think to research before hand. Sadly, now my vendor is out of $1950. I share this in hopes to help others. And thank you all for sharing as well!
ReplyDeleteThese guys are still at it...Edward Smith contacted me from Finland and wanted to use Castle Logistics Company...only this time it was Ryan Kirk. Everything else was basically copy/pasted. Thank you all for posting!
ReplyDeleteThank you so much! I just got a big order from Edward Smith that I am supposed to qive a quote on, and the address does not exist, and their is no business known as edmithstore. I was so excited about the big international order that I realized perhaps it was too good to be true. Thanks for the blog and those who added this name! Cynthia--Textile Artist
Delete...oops...I meant "there is no business..."
DeleteAs a landscape painter, I am most indebted to you for posting info about this scam on your blog. I have just had an email back and forth with Edward Smith about purchasing some paintings, and this morning received one from the shipping company...with exactly the same wording as in your example. I don't think I would have proceeded further, but your blog stopped me cold. Thanks again. larrygrobartist.com
ReplyDeleteI just got an e-mail right along this same pattern at my place of business! From pjohnsonn199@gmail.com:
ReplyDeleteHello,
My name is Paul Johnson Am willing to make some purchase of some items with your company and ship to Finland. Before we proceed can you please answer the question below.
1. Do you have a POS machine to charge credit card 2. Do you accept master and visa credit card payment 3. Do you accept private pick up by our forwarder 4.Can you send me your price sheet or cataloge
Kindly email me if this is possible to ship to Finland
Respectful,
Paul
Stay safe out there!
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ReplyDeleteSame thing happened here, his name this time Edward Smith: edwmith14@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteAttempted to scam me as well under the edwmith@gmail.com account just this week. These people don't give up do they ?
DeleteI too am in the process of being scammed. Just sent an invoice with payment through e-transfer or PayPal. I’m usually wary of these scams so did a search and luckily found your post. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteNew name is alexsadra santos alexsadras536@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteSame address : Vesakkotic 1399
FI-00630 HELSINKI
FINLAND
Same Scam other names:
ReplyDeleteScammer Scot mayers from Romania (red flag?)
Store Name: MAYSTORE
Shipping Address (random place in Romania):
Strada Ciucului 139/A, sfantu Gheorghe,
527166 Jud. Covasna,
Romania.
His "Shipping Company" info:
Contact Name: Ryan Kirk
Email:cl.cargo18@mail.com
Email:Ryankir@mail.com
Tel:+447507563574
Email:www.castlecargocompany.com
I just had this guy contact me me. Thnak you for the information.
ReplyDeleteom Hersey
ReplyDeleteCastle Cargo Company
Unit 737 a Pompey Centre
P05 7ER Portmouth
UK
Tel:+447507563574
www.castlecargocompany.co.uk
Dear Client,
ReplyDeleteWe are pleased to hear from you about your customer shipment to Romania,and my name is Tom Hersey under the umbrella of CASTLE CARGO COMPNAY and as it shows in our data base that the customer with the ID#SM5361ESP4 is from Romania.It been a busy day over here and the best way for you to get in touch with me through email as i will replied faster.
Please note that will pickup all over the world,so kindly advice with the below information so we can best quote you.
The pick-up address:(Where goods will be pick up)
Dimensions:
Weight
He's still going! Thank you for this post. The "Hello, Sales" greeting was a red flag for me, and it's the same pattern as you describe. He's calling himself Smith Hartman from Bermuda now, and he wanted me to go through Tom Hersey from Castle Cargo Company for shipping. I really appreciate everyone circling the wagons against these scammers!
ReplyDeleteThank you, Frederic, for this post and thank you to everyone who is providing information on this scam!
ReplyDeleteWe also received the following e-mail from "Eric Larson" this week, now he is from Korea:
Email:
erimllc19@gmail.com
Phone:
4842020366
Body:
Hello Sales,
I would like to express my interest in some products Listed on your website to be ship to my store in South Korea,Before i place this order, i want you to notify me if i am able to place the order and most important: If i can make payment with my credit cards Visa/Mc because that is the only way we are set for payment without no delay. I don't place online orders ,can i e-mail my ORDER needed then you can give me a quote here and make charges to my cards manually on your end?
Pls Clarify. Looking forward to your swift response then we can proceed further as soon as possible.
Regards
Eric
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And the shipping company is "Castle Cargo Company":
clcargo14@aol.com
Dear Client,
My name is Ryan Kirk ,under the umbrella of CASTLE CARGO COMPANY,I am the pickup agent in charge of your customer's order,we are asked to contact you by Mr Eric as it shows in our data base that the customer with the ID#SK5361ELM4 is from Korea and we have shipped to them before.
Below are what we will need to quote you:
The pick-up address:(Where goods will be pick up)
Dimensions:
Weight
R.K
Castle Cargo Company
Unit 737 a Pompey Centre
P05 7ER Portmouth
UK
Eric might also be using the e-mail: erimllc85@gmail.com
DeleteStill going on, here are some new names and e-mail addresses:
ReplyDeleteTom Hersey
US Regional Manager Castle Logistics
Email:Hersey.Tom@aol.com
Tel: +1 424-236-3351
www.thecastlelogistics.com
and
Smith Hartman (CEO)
Smithhartman474@outlook.com
MEYERS GALLERY LTD
Shipping Address:
36 Church Street Hamilton HM 12
Bermuda
Name: Bruce Tucker
ReplyDeleteEmail Address: brucetucker223@gmail.com
Subject: ORDER
Message: Hello Sales,
I want to make a purchase on some of your products,I don't place orders online can i e-mail my order needed then you can give me a quote here and make charges to my cards.
-Can you ship to Belize?
-Do you accept credit card?
-What is the delivery time?
Pls Clarify. Looking forward to your swift response then we can proceed further as soon as possible.
Regards
Bruce Tucker
Dear Client,
ReplyDeleteMy name is Javier Parades ,under the umbrella of CASTLE LOGISTICS COMPANY.I am the pickup agent in charge of your customer's order,we are asked to contact you by Mr Bruce, and as it shows in our data base that the customer with the ID#SM5361ESP4 is from Belize and we have shipped to them before. we are very grateful In regards to his request we pick up anywhere around the globe, we will be glad to give you a quote but the following information is needed.
The pick-up address:(Where goods will be pick up)
Dimensions:
Total Weight:
Description Of Goods:
Once we get these details, we would have a quote sent to you as soon as possible.
Javier Parades
US Regional Manager Castle Logistics Company
Email:tcaslogtcss@protonmail.com
Tel: +1 424-236-3351
www.thecastlelogistics.com